The original OVF Thread

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Here is the original OVF thread. Discussions were moved to this new board because of the risk of litigation should OVF be seen to be organising actions.

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8:39 #1
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Non-Violent Direct Action?
With all the goings on the past few days, it seems renewal of protests are inevitable. Whilst I completely understand why people feel the need to protest, it has to be said that prolonged ongoing protests does damage the club and the team. I would much rather, if there is to be upheaval, for it be accomplished as quickly as possible.

So rather than passive protests outside the ground, that can be simply ignored and, if they do work, could take months and months, perhaps its time to consider forms of non-violent direct action?

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Anything has to be better that shouting at the brick wall outside of Lorne street for months on end.

Any other ides?
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8th December, 18:42 #2
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Needs to be done in numbers so that they can't have everyone arrested or banned. Protests only work when like union movements it's collective.


8th December, 18:44 #3
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Outraged FC Basel and FC Luzern fans were so angry at a change to the kick-off time for their match that they staged a protest by throwing thousands of tennis balls on to the pitch.

A Swiss TV company had engineered the early kick-off to allow them to broadcast both the Swiss Super League match in Emmenbruecke and Roger Federer's final against Novak Djokovic at the ATP Basel tennis tournament, with the football match moved to 12.45pm to ensure that it would be finished in time for the tennis to begin at 3pm.

That prompted the fans of the two clubs - who occupy the top two spots in the Swiss top flight - to protest their treatment with a flurry of tennis balls.

And, with the pitch almost covered in them, the referee had no choice but to send the players back to the dressing rooms.

But as soon as they were cleared by stewards and security staff, the crafty fans began to rain a second wave of balls on to the pitch - forcing a further delay at the Sportanlage Gersag stadium.

When the game was finally played, Basel fans were left celebrating an injury-time equaliser that saw them rescue a point to remain top of the league - while in the tennis, Federer beat Djokovic in three sets to win the title in front of his hometown crowd for the fourth time in five years.


8th December, 18:47 #4
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Tennis balls etc
I like it. How about oatcakes? A few thousand of them on the pitch would be deadly underfoot.


8th December, 18:51 #5
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Or pies. Pies work.


8th December, 18:54 #6
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I like where you are coming from AVIM...something more creative would be better than the Lorne St protesrs, which are just ignored.

Personally, no one attending the next game is my choice....make the crowd the lowest in the club's history.


8th December, 18:56 #7
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Lemons, lemons would be good, thousands of them.


8th December, 18:57 #8
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Judging by the physique of your average Vale fan, they will not be throwing food away.


8th December, 18:57 #9
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The situation is that bad i know of stoke fans who are willing to come down & help, their reasoning........they are equally as disgustedat the low life scum in our club.

Im afraid that "non violence" will unfortunately end up "violent" due to the anger felt by fans & the continued arrogance of the board.

I think the tennis ball idea is brilliant!!!


8th December, 18:57 #10
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I like where you are coming from AVIM...something more creative would be better than the Lorne St malarky.

Personally, no one attending the next game is my choice....make the crowd the lowest in the club's history.
I think if you could have the team play in front of an empty stadium, great. It would make all the newspapers. But in reality I just dont think anywhere like enough people are engaged. Lets say you could get 50 people together for an action (reasonable assumption?). What would have the most impact with that kind of number involved?


8th December, 18:58 #11
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Lemons, lemons would be good, thousands of them.
Brilliant! Lemons. Love it.


8th December, 19:00 #12
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Originally Posted by AVIM
I think if you could have the team play in front of an empty stadium, great. It would make all the newspapers. But in reality I just dont think anywhere like enough people are engaged. Lets say you could get 50 people together for an action (reasonable assumption?). What would have the most impact with that kind of number involved?
You are correct, alas...but it would be incredible to have no one there and it would be the end for Freakin and Killer.

The tennis ball thing is great, as is the lemon idea...


8th December, 19:01 #13
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Lemons, ace idea!


8th December, 19:01 #14
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Love the lemons idea. I'll actually go to a match just to do it!


8th December, 19:02 #15
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Judging by the physique of your average Vale fan, they will not be throwing food away.
I resemble that remark!!


8th December, 19:10 #16
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Watch what you say they will have all of us searched prior to entry!


8th December, 19:13 #17
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Watch what you say they will have all of us searched prior to entry!
I only said it in zest!


8th December, 19:14 #18
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Watch what you say they will have all of us searched prior to entry!
True dat. Direction actions/interventions require organisation and of course secrecy.So while this public message board could be used to recruit 50 people(say) to take part in an unspecified action, the form and organisation of the action would need to be communicated separately and kept secret among the group.


8th December, 19:15 #19
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True dat. Direction actions/interventions require organisation and of course secrecy.So while this public message board could be used to recruit 50 people(say) to take part in an unspecified action, the form and organisation of the action would need to be communicated separately and kept secret among the group.
Are you the peoples front of Judea




8th December, 19:17 #20
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Are you the peoples front of Judea
Fork Off! We are The Judean Peoples Front.

Or was it the other way around?

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8th December, 19:20 #21
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Fork Off! We are The Judean Peoples Front.
Where's the Popular Front of Judea?


8th December, 19:23 #22
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I only said it in zest!
This has turned you into a bitter individual.


8th December, 19:28 #23
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This has turned you into a bitter individual.
Are you taking the pith?


8th December, 19:29 #24
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Where's the Popular Front of Judea?
We could carry on all night!

But back on track, ideas for actions please? MarkB2, Im volunteering you to lead the "sit-in" on the foor of the Bycars bogs after half-times busy stretch.


8th December, 19:31 #25
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Are you taking the pith?
I'll be rind later too let you know.


8th December, 19:33 #26
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We could carry on all night!

But back on track, ideas for actions please? MarkB2, Im volunteering you to lead the "sit-in" on the foor of the Bycars bogs after half-times busy stretch.
Seconded...I'm happy to sit in **** for the cause...


8th December, 19:34 #27
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Something has to be arranged for next saturday,would be worth contacting sky sports or football league show for publicity aswell


8th December, 19:39 #28
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Why not all throw a lemon on the pitch before the match is about to kick off? Then delay the kickoff because of lemons on the pitch? That would make the media.


8th December, 19:40 #29
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Lemons and lard.


8th December, 19:42 #30
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just a idea Port Vale fans Might Start A New vale tean like some man utd Fans did with FC United of Manchester.


8th December, 19:43 #31
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Lemons and lard.
Now that would be entertaining. You only need a few hundred thrown on to the pitch to really hold up the game.


8th December, 19:44 #32
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just a idea Port Vale fans Might Start A New vale team just like some man utd Fans did with FC United of Manchester.


8th December, 19:44 #33
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You cannot advocate anything illegal (going on the pitch etc) or any kind of violence or intimidation on this site. If it comes to it this and any other thread / post will be deleted.

Read the RULES people. This is NOT facebook or the bbc. This is OVF.


8th December, 19:54 #34
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Originally Posted by Pete T
You cannot advocate anything illegal (going on the pitch etc) or any kind of violence or intimidation on this site. If it comes to it this and any other thread / post will be deleted.
Agreed to an extent. But the point of the actions are that they are NON-VIOLENT. But to keep OVF safe, the process could work like this.

1. Someone with an idea nominates themselves as co-ordinator for a direct action.

2. The co-ordinator creates a new post calling for volunteers. The post should include vague details:

a. Where? The action is to take place inside or outside the ground.
b. When? On a match day or non-match day?
c. How Many? How many volunteers are required for an action to be "GO". Eg stinks bombs needs just two or three. Chains and goals posts needs 15. Lemons need say 100.
d. Risk? What are peoples risks in taking part in the action (people have different tolerances to risk). For example, lemons is risk of ejection from the ground. Stink bombs is very low - who would know? Goalposts is risk of arrest and ban.

If sufficient people volunteer for the action by reply to the post, the co-ordinator should then take the discussions for action away from OVF (or via private message) so as to maintain secrecy and not to get OVF into trouble. The action can then be organised/co-ordinated by the action leader. Exact times etc etc discussed.
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8th December, 20:06 #35
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An idea for an action for those most risk averse, An air-raid during the next home game like so

airads.blogspot.com/2011/11/w...ad-10-men.html

with a suitable message to the board and the non-engaged fans.

Would require no input from volunteers other than money.


8th December, 20:12 #36
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Sorry to sound draconian but Pete wasn't making a point for debate. We are saying ovf doesn't want any illegal activities (no matter how non violent) on here. We are in essence a privately owned website and to protect ourselves that is our decision. Like everything else on here you can either agree with our decisions or go elsewhere. But ultimately we could be liable of aiding and assisting if god forbid a non violent protest spiralled out of control and we are not prepared to do that.

While we appreciate it probably won't, with respect, ovf has more to lose if things do kick off so I'd ask you to take this topic off ovf.

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Ref: www.onevalefan.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=60692